The World Supports Traditional Marriage
On December 6th the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution supporting traditional marriage, which stated, "marriage is the foundation of families; families are the foundation of societies; the role of government is to protect and support families." The only dissent was from Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the European Union. The EU in particular tried to use the occasion to promote anti-family measures, including homosexual marriage. The EU's measures were rejected by the rest of the world.
I wonder whether those who say we should leave Iraq because we do not have support of the world will now oppose homosexual marriage because it does not have support of the world. Will there be a consistency in their positions on these two issues?
I wonder whether those who say we should leave Iraq because we do not have support of the world will now oppose homosexual marriage because it does not have support of the world. Will there be a consistency in their positions on these two issues?
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I can't say that I agree with you on this. I can't say that I will agree with you on most of the topics. I can say is that I am interested in how others view the world. I do not expect to change any opinions. I do expect to share my views and read others to gain a better understanding of the world around me. Much of this is fueled by the most recent election. I hope you can welcome me into your forum. I don’t intent to be confrontational. I would simply like to respond to the postings.
Here goes for my first attempt at posting:
The world does not support traditional marriage, according to the post. “The only dissent was from Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the European Union.” Well, the EU is made up of several countries. More importantly, Europe is home to similar western countries. This is not to discredit Asia, Africa and others. But I respectfully disagree that the claim of “The World Supports Traditional Marriage.”
As to the question regarding Iraq. I don’t believe that many people think we should simply leave Iraq. Many, on the other hand, do not think Iraq was a country we should have started an engagement with. Still, I do not understand what a social issue in the United States has to do with the country being at war.
Hi Parklife. Welcome.
I'd like to explain my thoughts a little more.
The U.N. has 191 member countries. The E.U. has 25 member countries, and not all of those voted against traditional family values. However, to make it easier, assume they all did. That means a total of 28 countries voted against traditional families and 166 voted for traditional family values. That seems to be a very strong majority.
You could also base it on the population those countries represent. The vote would be even more lopsided in favor of traditional families.
Concerning Iraq -- I agree that a social issue in the U.S. and Iraq have no direct relationship. I never caimed they did. I commented on the thought processes used to support some people's positions on each of these issues.
Should what other countries think on a social issue affect us in the U.S.? Apparently so. The U.S. Supreme Court's decision on the Texas sodomy law cited precidents from other countries as the basis for their decision. By the way, I do not belive decisions/votes made outside the U.S. should influence our laws and court decisions. However, some do believe this, and in particular European law seems to be popular.
It seems to me that some people first decide what they want to believe, and then take whatever they can dig up to support that belief -- whether valid or invalid.
Great work. I love the updates. There is a little bit of irony in all of this, don’t you think? You use a statistic in a particular way to convey your point. Which is great. But, at the end of your response you write that people first decide what to believe, then dig up support for that.
If the U.S. looks to the E.U. for court decisions, then should we not look to the E.U. on other matters as well?
Or, what if the world did make decisions based on population size (first, put aside population as being possibly the biggest problem that faces the world today). Countries like India and China would have more power. Should we run a government like that of China?
I am a little curious as to what the definition of family values and marriage are.
I've made some new posts with answers to some of your questions.
In response to your second paragraph: Yes, some people (and courts) in the U.S. look to the E.U. for guidance in legal and other matters. NO (emphatic "no") we should not be looking to the E.U. for guidance in either our internal or external affairs. We might observe what they do, and its results, and copy something that is of value. But as far as legal and moral issues, the E.U. should not even be our example.
The United States is a constitutional republic that has existed longer than any other in all of history. European countries change their form of government on a regular basis. Should we not then look to the government and legal system that has been shown tp be successful instead of to countries that historically produce governments and legal systems that are failures? Yes, we should be looking at our own history; we should be looking at what our founding fathers wrote and said; instead of turning outside of our successful legal and government system to copy that which has regularly proven to be a failure.
Next comment: My point in raising population size was that, no matter how you try to measure the results--whether based on the number of countries; the population (an indication ofthe popular vote); or even something such as the number of cultures reprsesnted by the vote in the U.N.; -- no matter how anyone tries to twist the U.N. vote the answer is always the same: the world voted in favor of the traditional family.
I'm not saying we should copy any form of government or legal system used anywhere else in the world. I'm also not saying that the U.N. vote should influence what we do in the United States. My comment was that I find it intersting that those who are telling us we should do things in America in accordance with what the U.N. decides, have chosen to ignore this vote.
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